I was shocked. Nothing in the history suggests this. Let us know if you find a titer, Jennifer. Emergency room physician Dr. I hope this thread is still active. I told her that I had no choice but to get medical care because it was now infected and I needed her shot records showing that he was “up-to-date” on his rabies shot (I knew the doctor would require because they would be reporting it to the Health Department). Depending on the type of infection, symptoms can start appearing within 24 hours up to 14 days after being bitten. I have always believed the vets and literature that says your animals have to be vaccinated annually (now they say every three years after the second vaccination) to keep them protected from rabies, as well as other boosters. Understanding what you’re up against goes a long way towards helping you think clearly. The really horrible thing was that Nick was up to date on Rabies shots, there was no reason for them to even remove him in the first place. That’s where the long term immune memory is stored. Lot of complications to deal with and a big dollop of ignorance on the part of your local health dept. I generally take expiry dates with a grain of salt. This gentle dog that had spent his first five years sleeping on Dad’s feet, bit a nurse who lived nearby who walked past the yard one day. He’s now saying that I have to go get all of these anti-rabies shots and I’m worried that will be terrible for my baby, curious of the odds that my dog has rabies with it being 1 mo. … Rabies is transmitted through contact with the … There is no rule saying you cant change clinics. If a dog bite tears the skin, it can cause scarring to occur. Think, damn it, think!”. For this reason, treatment to prevent the rabies virus from infecting your body is recommended if the doctor thinks there's a chance you have been exposed to the virus. I didn’t realize he was vaccinated by them and he got vaccinated when I adopted him in Nov 2016 at the appointment to get his heartworm meds. Do you also recommend the first round of puppy shots, due to concerns over Parvo? At the time of a dog bite, it’ll be much harder if you’re unprepared. All dogs bite, this has been my experience. When I got home I read the paperwork and the label from the vial they stick on the certificate said the vaccine expired 3 weeks ago! 2. Because I was bit at a private residence,OHIP wants to be paid back and I’m the 1 that has to now tell my friend she has to call her insurance company. With rare exception (very, very rare), I recommend every dog get a rabies vaccination sometime after 4 months of age. Of course I have a 6 foot high fence, that helps. If you cant afford the vet bills, you cant afford the pet. All dogs do not bite. Even though titers are expensive, if your pet has a reaction to the vaccination, have the Titer done and keep those records with you always. Rabies titers are processed by the Kansas State University Rabies Laboratory. That’s news and quite surprising to me! If you’re bitten by a dog that shows signs of rabies, such as acting erratically or foaming at the mouth, you should get a rabies vaccine. Google “blue buffalo lawsuit” AND READ! If the dog’s owner is nearby, ask for the dog’s vaccination history, making sure to get the owner’s name, telephone number, and veterinarian’s contact information. Thanks for the head’s up and the ammunition! It’s the go to reference for veterinarians, public health officials, vaccine manufacturers, and hopefully, animal control agencies. (SOURCE: Compendium Part 1(A.)(10.)) He had it ( without mercury as I insisted! ) Maximum duration of immunity found has been 25 years post immunization. Brands I no longer keep up with. Her dog obviously doesn’t have rabies and has been in quarantine for 2 weeks but this is the 3rd person she’s bit. I have been bitten several times, but have only needed to go to the doctor once….and I lied about how I got injured…..I don’t need the police coming to my home and have what happened to you happen to me. I failed my dog because I didn’t push back hard enough that we could do a home quarantine and he didn’t legally need a vet “check”. Avoiding skirmishes is only possible if I never walk them. The difference between “out of date” and “unvaccinated” for rabies is vast. 7 steps to treating a dog bite. A bite from a large dog may result in broken, splintered, or fractured bones, especially in the legs, feet, or hands. (And really, nowhere in my knowledge does a vet have any kind of law enforcement capacity, and I doubt if Spain is any different in that regard.). Will they report the non vaccinated rabies dog to the country? I am mad that she waited this long to tell me but I understand she’s probably terrified but at the same time this is not ok with me. This was all after discussions with the doctor of how PEP treatment is not without risk (treatment for my daughter that includes human globulin blood products and would be like giving her 9 blood transfusions giving her the risk of Hep C, HIV and whatever else we don’t even know about that one can get from someone else’s blood)….then he told me that even though I am the parent the decision for her to get treatment is not mine but the Health Department’s. Why are there concerns about skunks and rabies? We are stronger as a pack than as a lone wolves. Dogs that are bred for personality are less apt to bite than dogs that are bred indiscriminately Thanks for any help -Worried. What they are talking about is the entire arm (of the two arms of immune response) that titers cannot measure: cell mediated immunity. Rabies vaccination can cause aggression and I’ve seen that happen to several dogs. Around 1 in 5 dog bites require medical treatment. Roxanne learned from a Shutzhund expert to “correct” him (with a shock collar) early on if he was going to the crazy place, or he’d become dangerous and out of control quickly. Thanks, Doc. He had never eaten bait drops. So, although it was dinner time we walked 4 houses down and knocked on the door. Sam’s mom came in to discuss what had been drilled in to her forcefully by two local fauxlistic vets: Sam only had one rabies vaccine, and even though he got it after he was 6 months old, he needs another ASAP! I understand all of this as our free health-care” is big business and why should they pay. It’s very important to wash the wound as soon as you’re bitten and to use topical antibiotics, such as povidone iodine, in and around broken skin. Sincerely, helen. Kymba and I say Thanks!! The symptoms of rabies are distinctive and can arise within days or weeks of being bitten. Cytopoint: High Tech Answer to Your Itchy Dog? Learn about tortoises, cockatiels, Labradors, hamsters, sea monkeys, and other great pets for…, Katydids are found on every continent in the world except for Antarctica. Any thoughts would be most welcome as I really feel I’m stuck between a rock and a hard place. If it will protect her then I do want to do that. Will they try to arrest you for being wise about this? I keep hard copies of the following in my car and in an online folder that can be easily viewed and emailed from my phone. I would like to travel with her and sometimes s**t happens, she’s a dog and dogs bite. Hi Betty, It is important to keep your pets up-to-date on their rabies vaccines. More studying is in order for you. I just pick my dog up if I sense any trouble ahead, it’s easy with the little ones , Hey L, “expired” . Rabies is a serious viral condition that affects the central nervous system. All because someone wanted to be an irresponsible (in my eyes) dog owner and go to websites such as this that tell her to use a titer (not scientifically proven as stated in the Compendium) to keep her out of trouble if her dog were to bite someone. Our family has owned over 24 dogs over the years and none of them ever bit. Good for you, CJ. Read on to learn the steps you should take following a dog bite, and what you can do to prevent infection. It took a long time, but it eventually removed most of the symptoms. They publish the Compendium of Animal Rabies Prevention and Control. Hi Tracy, Plus, we live in Oak Hill and have Squirrel, Rats and Bunnies, which she chases if she sees them before we do. Certain infections from dog bites can be very serious and lead to complications. Animals who have rabies are often highly suspicious and greatly aggravated by water, especially moving water (hence the other name for rabies: hydrophobia). Seek help if you suspect infection or possible exposure to rabies, or if the wound is severe. If your dog is “out of date” by a few years, it could be worth investing in a rabies titer. b. Rabies Challenge fund – R. Schultz summary on lifelong immunity Filed Under: Current & Hot Topics Tagged With: dog bite, euthanasia, rabies. I declined. I read they’re better but not 100% safe either…. Without treatment, these infections can be fatal. Good stuff, everybody. I went to the doctor (because pregnant and worried that i needed a tetanus shot which I got) and they had to file with animal control. I really enjoy your articles and blog. Compendium of Animal Rabies Prevention and Control, http://www.ksvdl.org/rabies-laboratory/rffit-tests/, http://www.health.gov.on.ca/en/pro/programs/publichealth/oph_standards/docs/rabies_prevention.pdf, https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Pages/Annual-Rabies-Vaccination-Waiver.aspx, http://www.cdc.gov/rabies/specific_groups/veterinarians/potential_exposure.html, https://my.vitalanimal.com/p/vital-animal-pack. Seek immediate medical attention if you’ve been bitten by a dog and you aren’t sure of their vaccination history or know that they’re not up-to-date on their rabies vaccinations. We take her into the house and clean and bandage the “wound.” I have had a hard time calling it a “bite” seeing as it is a one tooth puncture wound. Healthline Media does not provide medical advice, diagnosis, or treatment. Ridiculous. Tammy has a big dog, I have not really seen it because she says it is territorial and has always put it in a large crate whenever I have come to her door. After I’m done, and eaten dinner, I might get a call. Ten years is the presumed duration, one has sufficient immunity. You can also develop tetanus (lockjaw) from a dog bite. To top it off,1 was pregnant and due the next day. We then sat and ate pizza and talked for about an hour (the dog was in the crate the whole time). Our regular vet does practice some homeopathy and is not a typical “whitecoat” and is not averse to giving medical notes where warranted, and tries to deal with the system while looking out for her patients and maintaining her professional integrity. This is no joke folks. I will have to learn how to do it myself. Wow, several thoughts. What is the rabies vaccine? If they had, they might have said the dogs were 3-4 years “overdue” for another shot. Rabies is caused by a virus that affects the central nervous system. That tells me animal control MAY be aware of the US practices. Infectious canine hepatitis is a highly contagious viral infection that affects the … Therefore, the most likely scenario of your dog getting rabies is through contact with another domesticated or wild infected animal. The Final Stage Symptoms. I will go to jail next time over them saying my pet has to be euthanized. In many instances, the appearance of mild scarring will lessen over time. Not if you present it from a confident position and politely decline future shots. Years of that experience. I thought we were past the trust issues but tonight he bit me twice when I entered the room – puncturing the skin above my left ankle and drawing blood at my right knee. In more serious cases, like an infected dog bite, the dog bite treatment may require your dog to be under anesthesia. Since then my dog made a full recovery that was a long road. Though he won’t guarentee every officer’s response. The rabies vaccine is to … And finally, it’s important for everyone reading this to know that the dog being “out of date” on rabies vaccines has nothing to do with the determination of whether or not a bitten person gets recommended to get PEP (post exposure prophylaxis). Also, for the love of your pet do NOT feed blue buffalo. 4) Have titers done in the hope that your town will accept them? Once a person is infected, there is not much a doctor can do to treat it. I adopted the cat. That was the message from two different vets in town, and it was stated strongly and authoritatively. NO PART OF THIS WEBSITE OR ANY OF ITS CONTENTS MAY BE REPRODUCED, COPIED, MODIFIED OR ADAPTED, WITHOUT THE PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT OF THE AUTHOR. This cat needs to be under the care of a homeopath, regardless of where the illness has come from. I just feel sick because my friend broke her back and is in a wheelchair so I don’t want to cause them anymore grief but at the same time I now have to see an upper limb specialist. Quarantine at home is likely the recommendation. That has been my experience. Intoxication (mercury) is not the only concern, see this post to learn why. This is especially important for bites on the face, hands, or feet, or for bites that cause deeper puncture wounds of … c. I am going to add this Compendium that Dr. Falconer outlines. It may sound trite or “woo woo” even, but your expectations and fears will often bring you into the line of sight of what you fear most. With Pack membership comes your free subscription to Dr. Falconer's well-loved Vital Animal® News. As for efficacy my doctor does not send me a postcard for tetanus but I know if I get cut by a knife I go in and get a booster even though I have already had the vaccine (more than once). The part I highlighted when I put in my book is in the first paragraph: Sandy. Sure, Ellen. Let us know in the comments if you’ve ever been involved in a bite situation and what you learned from it. A whole different story, but you have to be smarter than the vets on duration of immunity (search that phrase on this site and you’ll get right up to speed). Whether the attack was provoked or not. I also now have a non-vaccinated Scotty puppy who was with her mother until 12 weeks old. A volunteer from a cat rescue helped me trap her and took her to the SPCA and she was spayed, given core vaccinations and de wormed. I’m seeing this rather late, Clarisse, my apologies. This last stage of rabies signs in dogs will include the paralysis phase. The closest thing we have to measuring this at present is the ongoing Rabies Challenge Fund, which seeks to prove at least 5–7 years duration of immunity from a rabies vaccination. If you are bitten or scratched by a dog, you should check with the owner or verify with the dog’s veterinarian that the animal is up to date on rabies vaccines. I understood that the mother’s immunity would protect the puppy. Duration of Immunity and Rabies Vaccination. If this behavior on the dog’s part was unheard of until recently, that’s a stronger argument that the bite may have been caused by rabies. Keeping a cool head and confidently providing documents like this will get you far. Dogs come in all shapes, sizes, colors, and temperaments. https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Pages/Annual-Rabies-Vaccination-Waiver.aspx I’d have fought for Nick and gotten him back, instead of watching my kids cry over his untimely end. His owner died, and a woman across the street who had four or five Persians herself, took the cat to adopt it out to someone. If Sam went too far into wild and crazy land, it became very difficult to bring him back to calm and centered. That can be scary enough even when vaccines etc are up to date. 1st time vaccines need to be booster-ed 2-3 times the first year and every year after. This is wonderful news, but I am still looking for the evidence that an up-to-date vaccinated dog can contract rabies. I gave him what you suggested for vaccine induced distemper. Certain jurisdictions require evidence of vaccination and rabies virus antibodies for animal importation. 9 Frequently asked questions on rabies 2) Comply with the law and give the rabies shot as dictated by your town, city or state. Let the professionals worry about over-vaccination. No person in the United States has ever contracted rabies from a dog, cat or ferret held in quarantine for 10 days. The only way to tell whether a wild animal has rabies is to test its brain. I have a problem on my hands, my 1 yr and 5 month old dog and I were playing with a toy and he accidentally bit my hand when he bit onto the toy. By day 4 of this nightmare, I now understand why people sue over a simple “dog bite.” Each year about 4 million Americans are bitten by dogs. I give it before and after the shot, so far so good. Tetanus is a bacterial disease. Dr. Falconer, can you elaborate on what is meant by this statement concerning other immunologic factors and why they would interfere with a rabies titer result? Still intrigues me how this is possible, but readers are saying it is, so I believe them. Will they still do the titer draw? I now have a binder with each of my pets records and the printout of the cdc and county requirements. The risk of infection may be greater in people with weakened immune systems or people with diabetes. Kelli, it’s most important, for your peace of mind, to order a rabies titer test. If the dog is unaccompanied, ask anyone who witnessed the attack if they’re familiar with the dog and know where the owner lives. Odds are, he’s not “out of immunity” though he may be “out of date” by the arbitrary standards used in the conventional medical world bent on vaccinating. (You’d never know it to look at him!!) Here’s what the Compendium states from the same paragraph referenced above: Any stray or unwanted dog, cat, or ferret that potentially exposes a person to rabies may be euthanized immediately and the head submitted for rabies examination.”. Mom’s immunity runs out at a certain point. It’s as if rabies is affecting everyone’s clear thinking, much as it clouds that of the rabid animal, causes him to “lose his mind” and bite unthinkingly. a. AVMA update that waivers are sometimes necessary If a dog bites you, take these steps right away: Wash the wound.Use mild soap, and run warm tap water over it for five to 10 minutes. Titers can be expensive, so make sure it will be worth your while. Rabies is a lethal condition that is caused by a virus. So say the experts. Left untreated, it can lead to death within a few days of infection. Hi Helen, Anyone know how? Love this article. The rabies vaccine can protect you from being infected with the virus. I am NOW thoroughly pissed and thinking about a lawsuit (documenting everything). No - if the puppy had rabies, the puppy would be dead quickly. Keep an eye on the wound for signs of infection. Together, we can change the world, one Vital Animal at a time! Rabies in humans is rare in the United States and not typically transmitted by dogs, thanks to widespread inoculation and prevention programs. P.S. Oh, Judi, I’m so sorry you lost your dog to this kind of craziness. Regardless of rabies vaccination status, a healthy dog, cat, or ferret that potentially exposes a person through a bite should be confined and observed daily for 10 days from the time of the exposure.”. I really don’t want to give up walking them though because they love it so much. If you are unable to verify that a dog has received its vaccination, there’s is a possibility that you have contracted the rabies virus. This is yet another situation where you’ve got to do your research and be more knowledgeable than your vet. Also, a titer should not cost you more than $75. Don’t know what to do. My dogs last rabies shot was 17 months ago. Dr. Whitecoat strikes again. So, who knows how far they would take it. It also goes on to say advanced age is not grounds for waiver to be given…, My 5 yr old and I came home and my husband told us that our neighbor Tammy and her son Sam had just dropped by to see us. The public safety comes FIRST. Thank you. Furthermore, in most places, the rabies vaccine for dogs is legally required. Thank you so much, Dr. Falconer. ?”, “Oh God Oh God Oh God! I find this ridiculously over priced possibly to discourage you from going a different route. But I’ve also heard through the grapevine that trans-Canadian/US travel happens with dogs regularly w/o necessarily having up to date rabies. If you or your doctor have any concerns that you might have contracted rabies through a dog bite, getting a rabies post-exposure vaccine makes sense. Yes. I know you are advising from the US but I don’t know who to turn to here for help. Dad’s number was all they had. This is cheap dog bite prevention that costs only vigilance and a good leash on your part. Rabies is a very serious virus. Can I prepare her before and treat after a vaccination to protect her? You well know, if you’ve been following along that immunologically speaking, your rabies vaccinated animal is highly likely to be immune for life. On top of that, he is a very intelligent, vibrant, enthusiastic well behaved family pet but the reality is that he is a GSD and there are loads of pre and misconceptions about the breed. The Vet that did the titers mentioned preparing Sadie prior to the Rabies Vaccination with Benedryl, and treating her after with a Nosode. The previous owner died before I could get her vaccination records. I’m not clear on the actual reason if he was up to date on shots? Dr. Falconer, Thankfully our dog had a good life and we managed his quirky behavior for 10 years, but I miss him every single day. After reading this I am motivated to find a vet that will titre him and my other adopted dog Jack. Any titer showing = immunity established. And even if it turns out not to be rabies, arent you going to get sued for pain and suffering due to your negligence? I wanted to share something I learned about rabies here, and then I wanted to ask you a question. I rescue, train, breed, and interact daily with dogs….I have been bitten through interceding in a dog fight, and been bitten by a new scared sh!tless rescue….. life is still good! 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